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Topic: Budget Under Control?
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Josh Freeman
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Good thing we went to court to solve our budget problems. The Mayor needed some more money. I guess he needs to do a little campaigning....

11/13/2008 CHRIST FELLOWSHIP MISSIONARY BAPTIS $500.00
11/13/2008 MILBOURNE MYRTLE SONNY BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 SLIDELL SENIOR CENTER BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 EAST ELDRIDGE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 FLINT NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION $250.00
11/13/2008 UNIVERSITY PARK ASSOCIATION $250.00
11/13/2008 MILBOURNE DAYTON HAMILTON BLOCK $250.00
11/13/2008 INDIAN VILLAGE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 DONNELLY STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 WEST GATE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOC. $250.00
11/13/2008 COMSTOCK AVE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 NATIONAL BLOCK CLUB COALITION $250.00
11/13/2008 WEST DEWEY STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 WEST BAKER STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 BEL-AIRE WOOD ASSOCIATION $250.00
11/13/2008 LORADO STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 MACKIN ROAD & SENECA STREET BLOCK $250.00
11/13/2008 AMAZING GRACE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 SEMINOLE STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 HOWARD ESTATES ASSOCIATION $250.00
11/13/2008 THRIFT CITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSO. $250.00
11/13/2008 SAVE OUR STREETS $250.00
11/13/2008 FLINT POLICE VOLUNTEERS $250.00
11/13/2008 O.W.I. $250.00
11/13/2008 WITHERBEE WILLOWS BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 TRUMBULL STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 RUTH STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 FOSS AVE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 EAST HOLBROOK AVE BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 EAST PKWY BLOCK CLUB $450.00
11/13/2008 SUBURBAN GARDEN BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 GREATER HOME STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 HEART TO HEART BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 BONNER PARK BLOCK CLUB $250.00
11/13/2008 EAST AUSTIN STREET BLOCK CLUB $250.00

A grand total of $9000.00 - that would fund 1 police officer for almost 5 weeks.

Glad we spent so much time and money fighting in court for this.
Post Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:19 pm 
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andi03
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You know this is funny, my jurisdiction stopped buying coffee for employees because it was construed as a "gift" and the cost was increasing.......amazing, just amazing.

I also thought that a government entity could NOT give monies to a religious institution.....

Michigan Constitution:

§ 4 Freedom of worship and religious belief; appropriations.

Sec. 4.
Every person shall be at liberty to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. No person shall be compelled to attend, or, against his consent, to contribute to the erection or support of any place of religious worship, or to pay tithes, taxes or other rates for the support of any minister of the gospel or teacher of religion. No money shall be appropriated or drawn from the treasury for the benefit of any religious sect or society, theological or religious seminary; nor shall property belonging to the state be appropriated for any such purpose. The civil and political rights, privileges and capacities of no person shall be diminished or enlarged on account of his religious belief.
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Lessee, it was against the taxpayers consent...atheists didn't have equal access to monies, neither did secular humanists, did the local covens get their chance at monies too? What about the Moonies?

Is the Don advocating the Baptist Faith now, for the sake of the Citizens of Flint and making waves to set a precedent for other jurisdictions to follow? Hmmm....slippery slope. Remember when the Anglicans were "in charge" of the United States. What about taxation without representation?

http://www.christfellowshipmbc.org/index-old3.htm

Is this the website to the church? If so, it says right on the front page how to be saved right at the bottom. Isn't he breaking the law? US AND Michigan?!

The other block club names seem legitimate enough to issue checks to without fear of lawsuits or infringing on the rights of others.

Yes, churches do WONDERFUL things for the community, BUT monies deliberately coming out of the City Treasury......uh...oh.

Can a Muslim child go in and use their facilities for a gymnasium? Can a Jewish child go in and use the facility for their gym or for other activities any time they want? Is this check written for facility fees for use of an election? If the last items apply then the check is legitimate.
Post Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:33 pm 
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i know for a fact anyone, regardless of race or religion can use the
facilities of black churches and i suspect thats probably true of all
other churches. individual pastors "tend" not to be hamstrung by
public whims of intolerance... Wink Wink
Post Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:50 pm 
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Dave Starr
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I've been to a couple "Black" Churches for community meetings, and was made to feel welcome by the members of the Church that were present.

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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.

Pushing buttons sure can be fun.

When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.

Paddle faster, I hear banjos.
Post Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:42 pm 
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Josh Freeman
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quote:
Dave Starr schreef:
I've been to a couple "Black" Churches for community meetings, and was made to feel welcome by the members of the Church that were present.


Why wouldn't you have?
Post Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:30 pm 
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aw come on now josh......that wasn't fair.. Sad Sad Sad
Post Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:05 am 
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Dave Starr
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I doubt that I would have been welcomed at Rev. Wright's "Church".

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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.

Pushing buttons sure can be fun.

When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.

Paddle faster, I hear banjos.
Post Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:02 am 
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with open arms dave. surely you remember the white
minister who preached there....... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Post Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:50 pm 
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andi03
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Josh...here is the entry for the Dodge Chargers...hmmm. Is this one construed as an emergency purchase?

144569 11/20/2008 SLINGERLAND CHRYSLER DODGE $29,343.54
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:15 am 
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Josh Freeman
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quote:
andi03 schreef:
Josh...here is the entry for the Dodge Chargers...hmmm. Is this one construed as an emergency purchase?

144569 11/20/2008 SLINGERLAND CHRYSLER DODGE $29,343.54


Actually.. the Chargers were about $180,000.00 Not sure what that entry is for. Maybe to outfit them with the police package.

I see that the "Chief" had a little accident last night. Seems to be a pattern there with that fellow.
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:24 am 
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andi03
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There are a couple of entries that don't make sense. I don't know if that specific dealer is capable of outfitting police cars unless they are under contract with a supplier...I don't know if that's how it works or not. But 29k for 6 vehicles is awfully cheap to be honest.

It's costing PD's more if they are part of the paperless system that Genesee county is going to, that is if Flint is part of it.

Don is a piece of work, ain't he?
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:27 am 
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Adam Ford
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Is this legal?
Aren't "emergency purchases" supposed to be emergencies?
Was there a bidding processes followed?
We couldn't even at least buy from Genesee County?
Isn't this a GM town?
Why are we supporting Chrysler wen GM is the providing us with tax dollars?
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:00 am 
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andi03
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I am assuming that those questions are rhetorical....grin.
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:06 am 
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Adam Ford
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Not all the way. Was it legal? Did he break the law? Should he be prosecuted? Just because you call something by a legal name does not make it legal.
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:14 am 
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Josh Freeman
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The problem is, who is going to do something about it? The City Council? Maybe I'll call my Councilwoman and ask her about it.
Post Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:29 am 
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