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Demeralda
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twotap
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Does the term "Take No Prisoners" suddenly seem relevant here and of course the "guardian"as a source, well who could ever question their motives.
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These techniques were new to the military. Category I comprised two techniques, yelling and deception. Category II included 12 techniques, aiming at humiliation and sensory deprivation, including stress positions, such as standing for a maximum of four hours; isolation; deprivation of light and sound; hooding; removal of religious and all other comfort items; removal of clothing; forced grooming, such as shaving of facial hair; and the use of individual phobias, such as fear of dogs, to induce stress. 
Finally came Category III. These methods were to be used for only a very small percentage of detainees - the most uncooperative (said to be fewer than 3%) and exceptionally resistant individuals - and required approval by the commanding general at Guantánamo. In this category were four techniques: the use of "mild, non-injurious physical contact", such as grabbing, poking and light pushing; the use of scenarios designed to convince the detainee that death or severely painful consequences were imminent for him or his family; exposure to cold weather or water; and, finally, the use of a wet towel and dripping water to induce the misperception of suffocation. This last technique came to be known as water-boarding, described on a chat show by the vice-president, Dick Cheney, as a "dunk in the water" and a "no-brainer" if it could save lives.
The nice thing about the terrorists is when they behead a captive in front of the camera they keep the tape, in fact they show it around the world. I guess we could learn from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXksoJ2_9Wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjgiGFkTjFY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWnIRPl8xuw&feature=related
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:31 pm |
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Demeralda
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Right, and where do you get your stats? Less than 3% of them? Laughable. I bet the DOJ released those figures, eh?
However, it's immaterial how harsh the interrogation was -- they destroyed evidence. The government OBSTRUCTED justice. They should not be allowed to try anyone in Guantanamo that had evidence go missing.
They had a directive to keep evidence, they ignored it. |
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:34 pm |
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Demeralda
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| Oh yeah, and in which category does "forced enemas" fall? |
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:38 pm |
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twotap
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| Slightly below beheadings I would assume. |
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:52 pm |
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Demeralda
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| As long as you're happy to compare our government to a bunch of crazy terrorists, ok. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:17 am |
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twotap
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Not comparing it just pointing out who we are dealing with. Their is quite a gap between shaving off a beard and cutting throats, slicing off ears or snipping a few fingers. . In your opinion if they were alive today would Lincoln and Sherman be tried for war crimes?
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:23 am |
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Demeralda
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How can I compare things that are out of context? I know not. I guess not. That doesn't justify anything, though.
We have to hold our public servants to the same standards in which we would be held had we committed the same crime. Obstruction of justice has consequences -- they should be pursued. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:28 am |
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twotap
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No surprises here. I think they would do well to keep their Snooty noses confined to areas that effect whats transpiring in the queens domain. 
The Guardian (until 1959 The Manchester Guardian) is a British newspaper owned by the Guardian Media Group. It is published Monday to Saturday in the Berliner format from its London and Manchester headquarters.
The Guardian Weekly, which circulates worldwide, provides a compact digest of four newspapers. It contains articles from The Guardian and its Sunday paper, sister paper The Observer, as well as reports, features and book reviews from The Washington Post and articles translated from France's Le Monde.
.Editorial articles in The Guardian are generally in sympathy with the middle-ground liberal to left-wing end of the political spectrum. This is reflected in the paper's readership: a MORI Poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80% of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters (cited in International Socialism Spring 2003, ISBN 1-898876-97-5); according to another MORI poll taken in 2004, 44% of Guardian readers vote Labour and 37% vote Liberal Democrat.[1]
The Guardian is considered British centre-left (described by American conservatives as "left-wing"[2][3] as US politics are generally to the right of the UK[4]).
Founded by textile traders and merchants, the Guardian had a reputation as ‘an organ of the middle class’ [5], or in the words of C.P. Scott’s son Ted ‘a paper that will remain bourgeois to the last’ [6]. "I write for the Guardian," said Sir Max Hastings in 2005,[7] "because it is read by the new establishment", reflecting the paper's growing influence.
Three of the Guardian's four leader writers joined the Social Democratic Party on its foundation in 1982,
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The US military office at Guantánamo did not return a request for comment from the Guardian about its taping policies
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As well they should.
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:50 am |
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Ponycar
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This story is undetermined by snopes but it sure is an interesting one.I've heard it over, and over since I was deployed to the middle east right after 9-11.
In 1911, U.S. Army General Black Jack Pershing was in command of an Army garrison in the Phiilipines. There had been numerous islamic terror attacks, so Black Jack told his boys to catch the terrorist's and teach them a lesson.
The terrorist's were forced to dig their own graves, then they were all tied to post's execution style. The soldiers brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the pig blood and fat. They were terrorized when they saw that they would be contaminated with pigs blood. This would mean that could not enter heaven even though they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot. Their bodies dumped in the grave with the hogs gut dumped atop the bodies.the lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp where he told his buddies what happened to the others. This brought an end to terror attack in the phillipines for the next 50 years. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:21 am |
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Demeralda
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:26 pm |
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twotap
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So I take it what would make you as well as the non biased news sources  Ny times and the taxpayer funded NPR and PBS as well as the Guardian happy would be to imprison Bush and Cheney. Next we could give a huge settlement to the throatslitters we have in custody as well as their lawers and allow em to return to their homelands with our most sincere apology for ever taking them prisoner in the first place there they would be free to plot their next escapade against us. Sound about right? |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:51 pm |
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Dave Starr
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Or, we could save them a lot of trouble & just surrender the Country to them immediately.
On the bright side, I could then stand in the street & put a few hundred rounds through an AK-47 & nobody would take notice. |
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Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:56 pm |
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twotap
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| Hang in there Dave. Once that great peacenik the messiah Obama takes over he will sitdown and negotiate with the terrorists to try and make them love us and of course reverse the policys of the Bushies that have prevented another 911. I find it humorous that Baracko says he can deal with those folks but does not have the courage to go on the Fox news channel. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:57 pm |
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Adam
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