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Ryan Eashoo
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I am officially starting the campaign to WRITE IN Hillary Clinton for President in November. I need help doing this, I need a web designer, and people will to take the fight on. I believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to run this country. Anyone else willing to join "Friends of Hilary Clinton Write In Campaign"?
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:58 pm |
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| What great idea Ryan. If I was a democrat I might join ya but I am hoping you have much success.
Vote Hillary.
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:22 pm |
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Your vote won't count just like it did in the primary, IF someone wrote someone in that did not send their letter of intent/permission for people to put their name on the ballot for the Presidential election. Does that make sense? Dunno
Been through that, don't want to do it again. |
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:43 pm |
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Public D
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:06 am |
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Demeralda
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| I think it's in the vein of anyone-but-the-black-guy... |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:19 am |
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| Man that's pretty harsh Dem. I think it has more to do with his Michael Moore obsession. Wasn't it
Downsize This
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:32 am |
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Demeralda
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to level an accusation. Otherwise I would've straight up called him a racist. I don't think it's necessarily that -- I just don't know.
However, it seems to me that there's very little difference between them, policy wise. And while I liked Obama better because I'm an ageist, I certainly wouldn't have had a BIG problem with Hillary. I only worry about the baggage.
So, in the spirit of Occam's Razor, the most obvious explanation seemed to be the simplest one. Only Ryan knows his real reasons. We may never know.
This current thread certainly smacks of desperation. |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:55 am |
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http://www.slate.com/id/2192825/
It's Your Party Now
OBAMA AND THE DEATH OF CLINTONISM
By John Dickerson
Posted Tuesday, June 3, 2008, at 4:35 PM ET
Now that Barack Obama has the nomination wrapped up, everyone will be looking for the symbolic moment when he takes Clinton's hand and they raise their arms together. This is the traditional sign of party unity. This year it may not be enough to start the bygones era, given the charges of sexism and racism that have been traded between the campaigns and the number of Clinton fans promising to nurse their embers of grievance. Maybe raised arms won't be enough, and we'll need to see a hug or a kiss on both cheeks.
In the pageant of reconciliation, Clinton, who has promised to campaign vigorously for Obama, will be repeatedly asked about her claims that he lacked the credentials to be commander in chief and would not be able to defeat John McCain. That will be hard enough for her. But it's not all. Unlike other second-place finishers who have merely had to sublimate their own ambition, Clinton will have to engage in the eclipsing of her husband's presidency and its legacy, which has largely defined the Democratic Party for the last 15 years.
Barack Obama didn't just run against Hillary Clinton. He ran against Clintonism. The assault started indirectly in his book, The Audacity of Hope, which spoke about moving past the generational fights that had consumed baby boomers in the 1990s. He was attacking both parties for their preoccupation with Vietnam and the warmed-over cultural battles of the '60s and '70s, but on the Democratic side, this was an explicit effort to push away from the biggest boomer of all, Bill Clinton, and the turmoil of his reign.
The "Washington game" of massaging opinion and of political navigation, as Obama puts it in putting it down, was in part, after all, a Clinton creation. ''George Bush may have perfected divisive special interest politics, but he didn't invent it,'' Obama regularly said. ''It was there before he got into office." At the heart of that game-playing was the sin of what Obama called "triangulation and poll-driven politics." Triangulation has become almost a curse word in some Democratic circles, standing for selling out on principles and using liberals as foils for deal-making with Republicans. To engage in triangulation, as Obama and his supporters defined it, was a selfish act. It built political power for Clinton but not for the party he led, as Obama explained in one debate. It is because of this worldview that Obama famously picked Reagan over Clinton when talking about leaders who had genuinely transformed the country. Maybe as a term of her surrender, Clinton will demand a paean to Clintonism.
So what will Obamaism (or is it Obamology?) look like now that the Democratic Party is his to shape? There are a few specific, if not overarching, data points. As an antidote to the secrecy of Clinton's 1994 health care plan, Obama has promised his health care negotiations will be on C-SPAN for all to behold. When Hillary Clinton offered a gas-tax holiday, Obama argued against it, framing the plan as vintage Clintonism—a small meaningless sop confected only for political advantage. He said that if elected, it was just this kind of nonsense he'd avoid.
These are only hints, though. The larger promise of Obama's truth-telling has still not arrived. In Troy, Mich., yesterday the "truth" he offered about high gas prices was not that people would have to drive less, or carpool, or sell their SUVs, or maybe even accept a higher gas tax. He told the audience that energy conservation would come about through government spending, which would in turn bring Michigan new jobs. That's offering people candy, not spinach.
Obama has campaigned on the promise to pull together new coalitions, and perhaps this will be the best test of how he'll challenge Clintonism as he's defined it. The Clinton people call building a majority tailoring your convictions to appeal to particular blocs you need to win—independent voters, or the soccer moms of yore, or blue-collar white men. Obama critics decry this as a triangulation-ready watering down of principle. The alternative approach is to boldly state your convictions and convince people to move to your point of view.
In a campaign, you succeed if enough people buy enough of your message, or of you, to pull the right lever. But when Obama is president, his philosophy will have to take fuller shape. He'll actually have to win votes from members of Congress, which will test whether the inevitable trade-offs will be so great, or seem so political, that he infuriates his supporters. In figuring out how to navigate those choices, he might want to turn to the last Democratic nominee with a gift for giving fine speeches and promising a third way: Bill Clinton. Maybe Clintonism can never really die after all. |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:58 am |
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Ryan Eashoo
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Its really not about race at all, its about who is the best candidate to run this country for 4 years. Its not about who is a woman or who is a man either. Quite frankly I am offended that since I support Hillary Clinton people seem to label me a racist.
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Demeralda schreef:
I think it's in the vein of anyone-but-the-black-guy...
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:09 pm |
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Ryan Eashoo
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She is the sexist choice by far!
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squash schreef:
Man that's pretty harsh Dem. I think it has more to do with his Michael Moore obsession. Wasn't it
Downsize This
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:11 pm |
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Mike and Hillary do make a cute couple no doubt about that. 
ary Clinton 'Sexy,' Says Michael Moore
By Julia A. Seymour | June 15, 2007 - 16:30 ET
No, this is not a joke. Michael Moore really did call Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) "sexy" in his soon-to-be released movie "Sicko."
According to a copy leaked via the Internet, Moore makes the point that poor Americans went without health care until Clinton came on the scene:
"This went on for years until this man [Bill Clinton] rode into town, bringin' with him, his little lady."
Then as flattering photographs of Hillary flashed on the screen and the song "I'll Take You There" played, Moore described the senator.
"Sassy. Smart. Sexy." Ill bet shes No1 on someones MILF list.
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:31 pm |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:22 pm |
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twotap
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| Hey Ryan, if Hillary had won the primarys the forums patriarch old Public D would be slobbering all over himself claiming shes the greatest candidate in the history of the world. Because of the fact that other than gender and race their aint a bit of difference between her and the messiah as to the socialst agenda they have planned for the US, you dont have to justify your choice to him or anyone else. |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:04 pm |
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Adam
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quote:
Ryan Eashoo schreef:
I am officially starting the campaign to WRITE IN Hillary Clinton for President in November. I need help doing this, I need a web designer, and people will to take the fight on. I believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to run this country. Anyone else willing to join "Friends of Hilary Clinton Write In Campaign"?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080604/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_clinton_dc
McCain reaches out to disgruntled Clinton supporters/Ryan Eashoo
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) - Memo to disappointed women supporters of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton: Republican John McCain wants your vote.
McCain, the senator from Arizona who has wrapped up his party's White House nomination, moved on Wednesday to woo women and other Clinton backers whose disappointment over her defeat by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama could cause them to switch teams.
"I would welcome any of Senator Clinton's supporters' vote," McCain told reporters in Louisiana, adding he would seek backing from people across the political spectrum.
"I think there's a lot of Senator Clinton's supporters who will support me because of their belief that Senator Obama does not have the experience or the knowledge or the judgment to address this nation's national security challenges," McCain said.
Sound familiar? Clinton hammered Obama for months in the Democratic presidential nominating contests about his lack of experience and gained some traction with her argument that she would be better prepared to take a late night White House call on a national emergency.
But Obama won, clinching last night the number of delegates needed to take the Democratic nomination and lead his party's presidential bid in November.
Obama has been careful to praise Clinton and not look like he was pushing her out of the race so he could appeal to the some 18 million people who voted for her.
McCain followed suit, complimenting her on Tuesday night even as he ripped into his new Democratic opponent.
"She deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received," McCain said of Clinton.
"As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach."
The strategy could pay off. Some women supporters have said they will back McCain over Obama -- despite the former first lady's entreaties on the campaign trail not to do so.
"I'm disappointed that Hillary didn't make it, being a female," said Brittany Ford, 19, a black student from Columbus, Ohio. She said she's now looking at McCain, adding simply: "I don't care for Obama."
But Debbie Moore, a Cincinnati accountant, said she would stick with the Democratic choice.
"I started off as a Hillary supporter and ended up as a Barack supporter -- but I can support either wholeheartedly," said Moore, adding she was concerned die-hard Clinton backers would not unify behind the presumptive nominee.
"I'm concerned Democrats will blow it this year by not unifying," said Moore. |
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Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:45 pm |
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Demeralda
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TT, that was sorta uncalled for. I don't think you can really say that about PD. I've never seen him even write a post that says he's backing anyone?
He may be, like me, so jaded that it doesn't really matter who is running.
And that's how I've felt for a year or two now. The only thing Obama brings that makes him my unique choice is the prospect of a new style of governing -- one that is more honest, more focused on the problems of the ENTIRE country (not just those facing that pesky inheritance tax!), and not interested in pitting us against one another with fear and anger (a la gay marriage).
Policy wise, they aren't that different. It's in attitude.
Also, I'm irritated with the baby boomers. They're ruled the roost long enough, and look where they've gotten us. They've silver lined their own retirements at the expense of their own progeny. I belong to the first generation in America that expects quality of life to sink rather than rise.
Yes, this is a gross oversimplification, but I think you see what I'm driving at.
It's very unfair, though, for you to assume what he would say or do without him having a say 
If I'm wrong and he's written "Go Obama" somewhere, I'll take this all back. I just don't think I've seen it. |
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