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Dave Starr
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40 Reasons to Ban Guns
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands. |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:21 pm |
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FStar
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:18 pm |
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pan8
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A moron he may very well be but an accurate one none the less!
Yes sir, I believe in gun control and that is why I use two hands when I fire my .40 S&W.
AND PETA is correct, I like animals, I eat them every night. 
Pan8 |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:15 pm |
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Dave Starr
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quote:
FStar schreef:
You sir are a moron.
SIR!!???!!
I wasn't an officer, just a lowly em. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:24 pm |
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Dave Starr
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quote:
pan8 schreef:
A moron he may very well be but an accurate one none the less!
Yes sir, I believe in gun control and that is why I use two hands when I fire my .40 S&W.
AND PETA is correct, I like animals, I eat them every night.
Pan8
Not as accurate as I'd like to be. Still getting 2" groups at 7 yards. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:25 pm |
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seek4truth
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FStar,
If you feel he is a moron back up your statement with facts. All to often when people can't defend what they believe they resort to attacking the person presenting the facts. Fstar what is your experience with the gun bands? I don't mean to sound like a broken record but as a Flint Police Officer I have had a little. I said it before and I will say it again, I still haven't seen a legal gun used in a crime. Gun Bands don't stop criminals from getting guns, just the law abiding citizen. Good post Dave. |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:04 pm |
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pan8
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quote:
Dave Starr schreef:
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pan8 schreef:
A moron he may very well be but an accurate one none the less!
Yes sir, I believe in gun control and that is why I use two hands when I fire my .40 S&W.
AND PETA is correct, I like animals, I eat them every night.
Pan8
Not as accurate as I'd like to be. Still getting 2" groups at 7 yards.
Well, if you can cover the groups with a quarter then not too bad. I assume you use two hands?
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:22 pm |
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twotap
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[quote]You sir are a moron.
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Not this "moron" shit again try to come up with something a little more original will ya.
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:13 pm |
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Ponycar
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| Gun bans will only assure criminals that their prey is unarmed. |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:34 pm |
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pan8
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quote:
Ponycar schreef:
Gun bans will only assure criminals that their prey is unarmed.
Hello and glad to have you on our side. 
Pan8 |
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:35 pm |
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Dave Starr
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quote:
pan8 schreef:
Well, if you can cover the groups with a quarter then not too bad. I assume you use two hands?
Pan8
Yup, two hands. That's slow fire, though. I'll have to check out the range on center road & see if they allow rapid fire. The only time I've tried rapid was at the CPL class, where I kept all 14 (full mag +1) in a sheet of typing paper at 7 yards. The instructor called it minute of bad guy. |
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I used to care, but I take a pill for that now.
Pushing buttons sure can be fun.
When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way.
Paddle faster, I hear banjos. |
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:06 am |
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twotap
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One advantage to living up here in the sticks known as "hooterville" are the old gravel pits. No range officers, no rapid fire rules and no fees. Well you do need to have a valid hunting license.I remember some years back the DNR range at lake Algoe would only allow single shot fire . That meaning one round in the firearm at a time. I believe they have since changed that somewhat dumbrule. They sure would have had a fit with my grandaughter fireing one of my Assault  rifles rapid fire. Dave sounds like that Springfield XD is working well for you. |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:19 am |
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rapunzel11
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Charlton Heston is DEAD and may his moses rot there after convincing many WWII Vets that Gore wanted to take guns out of his cold dead hands.
Yes, youth needs to be taught gun safety. How to hunt, how to respect a weapon. How to shoot a pheasant or deer.
How to not touch a gun found in a park but go get help.
When police are out gunned by automatic weapons held by criminals then some type of oversight is needed.
Moses and the NRA cost us 8 years of Bush JR. he rots in his own man-made hell and we are living it.
Peace,
RAP |
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Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:45 am |
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twotap
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Yes, youth needs to be taught gun safety. How to hunt, how to respect a weapon. How to shoot a pheasant or deer.
And how to use weapons for what they are designed to do protect ones self and family. As far as someone rotting in hell how about all those dead dumbass gangsta rappers who glorified gun violence and continue to this day to impress some of Americas nearly illiterate youth with their idiotic lyrics while making the cops job just that much harder. By the way Mr. Heston was entirely correct about that psycho Algore and impressed many more folks than just WW11 vets. Your Boy our current POTUS BO is even more antigun that any previous POTUS but managed to lie his way into the whitehouse convincing too many folks that his past antigun voting record was not to be taken seriously. Well OK hes there so lets see him show some guts and attempt to go forward with his idiotic guncontrol plans and see what happens in the 2010 midterm elections. Cmon Baracko lets see if ya got a pair. Your antigun supporters are counting on you. |
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"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. |
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Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:56 am |
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pan8
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quote:
rapunzel11 schreef:
Charlton Heston is DEAD and may his moses rot there after convincing many WWII Vets that Gore wanted to take guns out of his cold dead hands.
Yes, youth needs to be taught gun safety. How to hunt, how to respect a weapon. How to shoot a pheasant or deer.
How to not touch a gun found in a park but go get help.
When police are out gunned by automatic weapons held by criminals then some type of oversight is needed.
Moses and the NRA cost us 8 years of Bush JR. he rots in his own man-made hell and we are living it.
Peace,
RAP
This fool sounds strangely familiar as in "Maninthepinstripesuit" or "MalcomX" and if I am correct in my assumption then I am still waiting for your example of how Rush has said racists comments!
Unless I have missed something, Gore never had the authority to take away our guns. 
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Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:06 am |
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