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Author    Post   twotap F L I N T O I D You Dems no.1 gal can sure dodge and weave. Pelosi Still Receives CIA Briefings, But Won't Say If They're Truthful by Connie Hair Posted 06/05/2009 ET Updated 06/05/2009 ET House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) at her weekly press conference yesterday continued dodging questions about her accusations that the CIA lied to Congress about waterboarding terrorist detainees. Pelosi was pressed by reporters on whether she continued to receive briefings and admitted that she is still receiving the CIA presentatoins. She refused to answer when this humble correspondent asked whether or not she believes intelligence professionals are still lying to her. House Republican leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) spoke about Pelosi’s continued stonewalling at his own presser that followed shortly afterward. “It’s been three weeks since I asked Speaker Pelosi to back up her allegations that the CIA lied to her or purposely misled her,” Boehner said. “She made this claim, and it's her responsibility to either put forward evidence that they did, in fact, lie to her, which would be a crime, or she needs to retract her statements and apologize. Allowing this to hang out there is unconscionable. And I just think the -- the silence from Speaker Pelosi is deafening.” Boehner said that Pelosi “believes that it's just all going to go away. Well, just trust me: it's not going to go away.” _________________ "If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!! Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:16 am  Ponycar F L I N T O I D Imagine the pressure that would come if it was a republican who made such a claim that the CIA lied to congress. Cmon Nan, Answer the question. You're the one who stirred this hornets nest. YOU CAN"T YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO !!!!!! I knew people in the military who were waterboarded as a part of their survival training. We didn't do anything to those prisoners that we don't do to our own military. I'm more concerned with doing what it takes to protect American lives than the rights (which they don't have anyway) of our enemies who want to kill as many Americans as they can.Unlike their victims Daniel Pearl, and Nick Berg, the Guantanamo prisoners should be thankful that they still have heads to pour water on. _________________ A government big enough to give you everything is also powerful enough to take it all away. Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:20 am  back again F L I N T O I D "we didn't do anything to those prisoners we don't do to our own military" that is about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. _________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance. P.Y. Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:28 pm  Dave Starr F L I N T O I D No, it's not. Air Force survival training for pilots & air crew is rougher than you could ever imagine. _________________ I used to care, but I take a pill for that now. Pushing buttons sure can be fun. When a lion wants to go somewhere, he doesn’t worry about how many hyenas are in the way. Paddle faster, I hear banjos. Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:08 pm  back again F L I N T O I D dude, i know a few things too. none of that training beats you till you die. none of that training rapes your child within earshot of it's mother. none of that training breaks bones with no hope of hospitalization. none of that training blinds you. need i go on? you shouldn't make statements when you have no idea of which you speak. abu gharib was no air force training school. you are uninformed. because you are a member of a military is no guarantee you are informed of it's activities. you should know that. _________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance. P.Y. Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:16 pm  Adam F L I N T O I D There is a difference between torture and training but they are very careful to avoid fatalities during some of our militray training. I think the torture training in particularly done for our 'elites" in case they get captured. Waterboarding is bascially suffocation which I think we do do to some of our special forces. Being suffocated until you pass out might even be standard practice for the seals. I don't support torture though but then again I don't support running the world but if we're going to try and run the world torture and war crimes may be standard practice in some of the areas we are "helping to run". Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:40 pm  Ponycar F L I N T O I D Waterboarding IS part of training. Not just on special forces ( which seals are part of special forces too), but combat aircrews too. The POW phase of survival school is tough. As far as I know, there have not been any fatalites at Guantanamo as a result of inhanced interrogation, or waterboarding. So, back again, Where are getting your information that puts you in the know ? Tell us what makes you so informed. I hope that wasn't me that you were referring to when you said " you have no idea of that which you speak". I think after 3 tours to the Persian Gulf, I do have an idea of what I speak.I hope your intel comes from credible sources. Thus far, Nancy Pelosi has proven that she's not. _________________ A government big enough to give you everything is also powerful enough to take it all away. Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:22 am  Schreef F L I N T O I D Leon Daniel, like others who reported from Vietnam during the 1960s, knew about war and death. So he was puzzled by the lack of corpses at the tip of the Neutral Zone between Saudi Arabia and Iraq on Feb. 25, 1991. Clearly there had been plenty of killing. The 1st Infantry Division (Mechanized) had smashed through the defensive front line of Saddam Hussein's army the day before, Feb. 24, the opening of the Desert Storm ground war to retake Kuwait. Daniel, representing United Press International, was part of a press pool held back from witnessing the assault on 8,000 Iraqi defenders. "They wouldn't let us see anything," said Daniel, who had seen about everything as a combat correspondent. The artillery barrage alone was enough to cause a slaughter. The attack began with a 30-minute bombardment by howitzers and multiple-launch rockets scattering thousands of tiny bomblets, followed by a wave of 8,400 American soldiers riding in 3,000 battle tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, Humvees, armored personnel carriers and other vehicles. It wasn't until late in the afternoon of Feb. 25 that the press pool was permitted to see where the attack occurred. There were groups of Iraqi prisoners. About 2,000 had surrendered. But there were no bodies, no stench of feces, no blood stains, no bits of human beings. "You get a little firefight in Vietnam and the bodies would be stacked up like cordwood," Daniel said. Finally, Daniel found the division public affairs officer, an Army major. "Where the hell are all the bodies?" Daniel said. "What bodies?" the officer replied. Daniel and the rest of the world would not find out until months later why the dead had vanished. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some of them alive and firing their weapons from World War I-style trenches, were buried by plows mounted on Abrams battle tanks. The Abrams flanked the trench lines so that tons of sand from the plows funneled into the trenches. Just behind the tanks, actually straddling the trench line, came Bradleys pumping 7.62mm machine gun bullets into the Iraqi troops. "I came through right after the lead company," said Army Col. Anthony Moreno, who commanded the lead brigade during the 1st Mech's assault. "What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people's arms and land things sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands." A thinner line of trenches on Moreno's left flank was attacked by the 1st Brigade commanded by Col. Lon Maggart. He estimated his troops buried about 650 Iraqi soldiers. Darkness halted the attack on the Iraqi trench line. By the next day, the 3rd Brigade joined in the grisly innovation. "A lot of people were killed," said Col. David Weisman, the unit commander. One reason there was no trace of what happened in the Neutral Zone on those two days was that Armored Combat Earth Movers came behind the armored burial brigade, leveling the ground and smoothing away projecting Iraqi arms, legs and equipment. PFC Joe Queen of the 1st Engineers was impervious to small arms fire inside the cockpit of the huge earth mover. He remained cool and professional as he smoothed away all signs of the carnage. Queen won the Bronze Star for his efforts. "A lot of guys were seared," Queen said, "but I enjoyed it." Col. Moreno estimated more than 70 miles of trenches and earthen bunkers were attacked, filled in and smoothed over on Feb. 24-25. [c'ntd...] http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/11/17/IN178228.DTL Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:31 am  back again F L I N T O I D son, you mentioned NOTHING about Guantanamo in your 10:20 post.of course you know that although i like the way you attempted covering your ass by mentioning this time guantanamo as ineffective as it was..if you've done 3 tours you should know torture does and did take place in abu gharib, and trust me, it was nothing like air force training. i know what i know because i am almost 60. the guys my age are in charge now. i have many 35 year friends. by the way, the weak argument saying interrorgation was no more than survival training is still shallow. you should know better. _________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance. P.Y. Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:50 am  twotap F L I N T O I D "none of that training rapes your child within earshot of it's mother." WHAT????????? Where the hell did that come from?? you been talking to Nan or watching Olberman again? _________________ "If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!! Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times. Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:33 am  Ponycar F L I N T O I D I don't deny that illegal acts were done by some of our troops at Abu Gharib. Those military personnel were dealt with by the military justice system, along with those soldiers who raped, and commited illegal killings in the field.Troops who violate the laws of armed conflict, are harshly dealt with. The topic of this discussion was waterboarding, and enhanced interrogations. That IS part of training along with other forms of what you libs call torture. _________________ A government big enough to give you everything is also powerful enough to take it all away. Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:17 am  Schreef F L I N T O I D We didn't do anything to those prisoners that we don't do to our own military. Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:55 pm  back again F L I N T O I D kill all you wish young man. _________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance. P.Y. Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:37 pm  Ponycar F L I N T O I D What does suicides in the military have to do with the treatment of prisoners, waterboarding, and enhanced interrogations ? Veterans from all wars have suffered from PTSD, and some as a result have commited suicide. _________________ A government big enough to give you everything is also powerful enough to take it all away. Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:14 pm  Schreef F L I N T O I D It's two-fold. If we have such disregard for the welfare of our own, I don't understand why there is any surprise that we would have complete disregard for others. Secondly, because what you said is completely true - as the article states (quoted below) - and I wonder why that injustice doesn't take precedence in the headlines above the jerry springer politics of this crap. "From 9/11 through last week, almost 1,900 men and women have committed suicide while on active-duty or in Guard or Reserve status. Still worse is a Centers for Disease Control estimate that 18 veterans from all wars commit suicide every day — that’s 6,500 a year!" Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:50 pm    Display posts from previous:   All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First

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