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Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:32 am |
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Domet
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| Come on, Twotap, they aren't even closely related to the teabaggers or whatever they are calling themselves. Protesting the G-20 and other meetings around topics of globalization have been common for a long time. I'm surprised more conservative types don't show up, as some of the people there are concerned not only about global markets but "one world government!" |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:13 am |
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yeah your talking apples and oranges. no connection whatsoever. although select grouping of philosophies is
common among wackjobs!!
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:18 am |
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twotap
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Come on, Twotap, they aren't even closely related to the teabaggers or whatever they are calling themselves.
You got that right cause the teabaggers from the right hold peaceful well behaved demonstrations the lefty whacko teabaggers on the other hand well the storys speak for themselves. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:09 pm |
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"peaceful and well behaved"
those wingnuts scream, shout and carry assault rifles to protests.
talk about wackjobs!!! |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:28 pm |
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twotap
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| The only reason the
Black dude
had his assault rifle with him was out of fear of you leftist whackjobs. Lets see how many were arrested or pepper sprayed or bean bagged NONE. well the one guy had his finger bitten of by one of your leftist whacko brethern. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:55 pm |
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Dan Moilanen
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Most of the anti-globalization demonstrations tend to be peaceful until police provoke or unreasonable respond to demonstrators. Then it turns violent and both sides continue to escalate the situation.
Most of the time the police seek to protect property. But remember these are typically anti-capitalist demonstrations that lead to destruction of property and over-zealous police officers beating women and other defenseless individuals into the ground.
The violence goes both ways.
I'm actually an advocate of violent demonstrations in certain cases, it just depends on the context. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:59 pm |
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oh hell, yes there are black wackjobs!!!
michael steele (as ordered by lush rimbaugh)
that fool with the assault rifle.
there are plenty of them fools! |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:22 pm |
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Elias12
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| I am not an anti-capitalist but I see some dangers in this G-20 meeting. I am very suspicious of any and all "leaders' be they politcal or business ones. And in these sort of gatherings we have both, YIKES! These "meetings' are not transparent, as they should be in my opinion, many of the people involeved are not elected, thus there is no accountabilty to any of the peoples of the countries they are supposedly representing. So while I may not join in the protests I think not all of the protestors are wackos against capitalism, they actually ( many anyway) have some very stong arguments and reasons why they oppose such meetings. When men in suits meet does it usally bode well for the non suit wearing populace? |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:34 pm |
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Dave Starr
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quote:
Dan Moilanen schreef:
Most of the anti-globalization demonstrations tend to be peaceful until police provoke or unreasonable respond to demonstrators. Then it turns violent and both sides continue to escalate the situation.
Most of the time the police seek to protect property. But remember these are typically anti-capitalist demonstrations that lead to destruction of property and over-zealous police officers beating women and other defenseless individuals into the ground.
The violence goes both ways.
I'm actually an advocate of violent demonstrations in certain cases, it just depends on the context.
The broken windows and vandalized stores in Pittsburgh are the fault of the police????
Violence is ok for some, but not for others? |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:05 am |
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twotap
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Most of the anti-globalization demonstrations tend to be peaceful until police provoke or unreasonable respond to demonstrators. (and my favorite)over-zealous police officers beating women and other defenseless individuals into the ground. That sounds like one of those leftist profs of yours speaking.
Now theres that lib mentalty we have all come to know. Its the cops fault.  Hey Dan you have definetly come out of the leftist whacko closet with those comments but of course most of us knew that already.
Hey backagain the only reason I mentioned that the dude carrying the "Unloaded" AR type weapon was black is because your sources of news (you know the all lib all the time all spinners) neglected to mention that fact but continued and still do with the nonsense that those demonstrations were racially motivated. Hmm lets see how is it possible for a black dude to be racist against another black dude??? in fact how can a black dude even be racist since that term is only reserved for us lilly white folks. |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:12 am |
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Domet
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twotap schreef:
Its the cops fault.
Well, this is a yes and no. What I would argue is it's "authority's" fault in many ways. As Dan pointed out, many times protesters are in fact peaceful until somebody cracks a skull, shoots a rubber bullet or tosses some teargas into the crowd. Beyond that, over the last 50 years or so, we have seen an intense decline of a person's right to protest - instead of allowing gatherings, the government has set up regulations telling people when, where and how they can do what they are supposedly allowed to do in our constitution. Protest groups always have to make a choice about how they are going to hold their rallies, and sometimes the law doesn't give them much leeway.
I guess the question is this, twotap - if a bunch of teabaggers were being told that they could not hold demonstrations on the steps of the capital during a visit by Obama, would you support them violating the law and demonstrating anyhow? You may not, and then good on you for sticking to your guns. I know there are some who would - it's not a measure of "liberal" or "conservative" but rather one of "what must we do to get a message out period."
Of course, I never blame people who have violence brought against them - in any case, whether the police "started it" or the protesters did, reacting violently is never the correct answer unless you have the numbers to really do something worthwhile. Violence is only a useful source of political protest in exceptional circumstances (I say that as objectively as I can from my understanding of social movement literature) or in the cases of successful revolution XD.
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in fact how can a black dude even be racist since that term is only reserved for us lilly white folks
Racism exists in every and all facets of human life. I'm a social scientist by training, so you won't really read me write "all" very often, but I think that I can safely say that it pretty much exists everywhere. Self-hating ethnic members exist. There are black men who have assimilated well into white society or have done well themselves who look down on their own people. I knew a black woman who thought black men were the devil. I know white people who think that segments of their own ethnic grouping are less than acceptable, "They give white people a bad name!" Almost certainly you can hate within your ethnicity.
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Elias12 schreef:
These "meetings' are not transparent, as they should be in my opinion, many of the people involeved are not elected, thus there is no accountabilty to any of the peoples of the countries they are supposedly representing.
This is one of my biggest issues with the current state of economic globalism. The WTO and the G-x meetings aren't transparent, we have no idea what is going on here. How do you feel about creating or updating current institutions for regulating international law/finance? I've read some impressive arguments concerning globalism as an unchecked force that have convinced me pretty readily it's a necessity. |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:56 am |
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oh! i personally know black folks racist against other black folks.
hell yea it happens!!
by the way, i saw the picture of that black fool with the 15.another frakkin idiot!!! every race has x's who hate other x's for whatever reason. that not only applies to blacks.
speaking of complete idiots with a television show, did you see glen (burp) beck get owned by katie couric????
another right wing wackjob fumbling at his own stated idiotic moronic comments . |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:06 pm |
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Adam
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Quite a difference Dan and backagain take note if you decide to join your compadres.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6848176.ece
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_us/g20_summit_protests
I dunno about you twotap but I think I'd rather have Obama running America than the UN or G20 running it.
I know people like you really seem to love places like Israel and the middle East but I think America should start focusing more on America although I understand policing the world may be a fun proposition for neocons like yourself but if you haven;t noticed that is very costly and if you are so supportive of this expensive strategy please feel free to send some extra money to Master Obama because when you're dead and gone my generation will still be paying the debts for your SS payments and all these b.s. wars we can't afford.
In other words F*** the UN, F*** the G8 and let's save our own country that is already about $60 trillion and counting in debt. |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:43 pm |
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Ponycar
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| I wonder when Princess Nancy is gonna come out and condemn these protestors. |
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