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twotap F L I N T O I D
Of course you have to remember these clowns gave it to the likes of Arafat, Mandella, and who could forget Carter and Algore. The deadline for nominations is February 1, meaning Obama would've been nominated after being in office for just 11 days.
Analysis: He won, but for what?
By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP White House Correspondent Jennifer Loven, Ap White House Correspondent – 57 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The awarding of the Nobel Peace Price to President Barack Obama landed with a shock on darkened, still-asleep Washington. He won! For what?
For one of America's youngest presidents, in office less than nine months — and only for 12 days before the Nobel nomination deadline last February — it was an enormous honor.
The prize seems to be more for Obama's promise than for his performance. Work on the president's ambitious agenda, both at home and abroad, is barely underway, much less finished. He has no standout moment of victory that would seem to warrant a verdict as sweeping as that issued by the Nobel committee.
And what about peace? Obama is running two wars in the Muslim world — in Iraq and Afghanistan — and can't get a climate change bill through his own Congress.
His scorecard for the year is largely an "incomplete," if he's being graded.
He banned torture and other extreme interrogation techniques for terrorists. But he also promised to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a source of much distaste for the U.S. around the world, a difficult task that now seems headed to miss his own January 2010 deadline.
He said he would end the Iraq war. But he has been slow to bring the troops home and the real end of the U.S. military presence there won't come until at least 2012, and that's only if both the U.S. and Iraq stick to their current agreement about American troop withdrawals.
He has pushed for new efforts to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But he's received little cooperation from the two sides.
He said he wants a nuclear-free world. But it's one thing to telegraph the desire, in a speech in Prague in April, and quite another to unite other nations and U.S. lawmakers behind the web of treaties and agreements needed to make that reality.
He has said that battling climate change is a priority. But the U.S. seems likely to head into crucial international negotiations set for Copenhagen in December with legislation still stalled in Congress.
And what about Obama's global prestige? It seemed to take a big hit last week when he jetted across the Atlantic to lobby for Chicago to get the 2016 Olympics — and was rejected with a last-place finish.
Perhaps for the Nobel committee, merely altering the tone out of Washington toward the rest of the world is enough. Obama got much attention for his speech from Cairo reaching out a U.S. hand to the world's Muslims. His remarks at the U.N. General Assembly last month set down new markers for the way the U.S. works with the world.
But still ... ?
Obama aides seemed as surprised at the news as everyone else, not even aware he had been nominated along with a record 204 others. Awoken by press secretary Robert Gibbs about an hour after the vote was announced, the White House says the president responded that he was humbled to be only the third sitting U.S. president to win.
The award could be as much about issuing a slap at Obama's predecessor, former President George W. Bush, as about lauding Obama. Bush was reviled by the world for his cowboy diplomacy, Iraq war and snubbing of European priorities like global warming. Remember that the Nobel prize has a long history of being awarded more for the committee's aspirations than for others' accomplishments — for Mideast peace or a better South Africa, for instance.
In those cases, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
Obama likely understands that his challenges are too steep to resolve — much less honor — after just a few months. "It's not going to be easy," the president often says of the tasks ahead for the United States and the world.
The Nobel committee, it seems, had the audacity to hope that he'll eventually produce a record worthy of its prize.
How about a bit of factual history about some real world accomplishments.
Countries liberated from Communism during or shortly after RONALD REAGAN's presidency: Afghanistan Albania
Angola Bulgaria Cambodia Czechoslovakia East Germany
El Salvador Estonia Ethiopia Georgia Grenada Hungary Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Latvia Lithuania Moldavia Nicaragua
Poland Romania Soviet Union Tajikistan Turkmenistan Ukraine Uzbekistan
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:51 am
Elias12 F L I N T O I D
It surprizes me to hear this news. He hasn't done anything,in my opionion, the recieve this award. What basis is he getting it on I would like to know. But I am not outraged, hell they gave the damm thing to people you already mentioned Twotap. Ever since Yasser Arafat got one the Nobel has taken a nose dive in prestige. Notice, people I said Arafat, I didn't say anything about the president . Well let him enjoy this honor. I will be bewildered and formulating all sort of questions I will never get to ask the committee.
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:04 am
Domet F L I N T O I D
quote:Elias12 schreef:
What basis is he getting it on I would like to know
I read an article on this earlier today and just went, "Facepalm." I was going to post something about it, but was beaten to the punch. They claim he is getting it for ideas of peace, which is insane. I think the entire concept is a sham and that the Nobel committee just lost a lot of respect, from at least me. From this point on, I feel that I will always have to ask, "Are we sure they deserve this honor?"
I hate it when normally good organizations lose benefit of the doubt with me, just pushes the cynicism forward.
_________________ Lack of support for your assertions does not make you a sage, it just makes the rest of us doubt your reasoning skills. - Elias12, Flint Talk Poster
Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:10 pm
back again F L I N T O I D
well, personally i have no problem with the president being named as the recipient of the Peace Prize. it seems self explanatory to me. arafat, i thought that was a political move at that time. several brilliant thinkers spent valuable time making their selection and as they are privy to much more than we are, i have to assume they did their research.
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:21 pm
twotap F L I N T O I D
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well, personally i have no problem with the president being named as the recipient of the Peace Prize. it seems self explanatory to me.
Carter: Obama's Nobel 'bold statement' of support
Oct 9, 9:14 AM (ET)
WASHINGTON (AP) - Former President Jimmy Carter says the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to President Barack Obama is a "bold statement of international support for his vision and commitment."
Yup Jimmy you got that right his vision and committment to weaken American and apologize to every whacko dictator (much like your own) around the world. Fits right in with those peace prize nuts and the UN clowns.
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:33 pm
Domet F L I N T O I D
quote:back again schreef:
several brilliant thinkers spent valuable time making their selection and as they are privy to much more than we are, i have to assume they did their research.
Brilliant thinkers are still expected to explain themselves. They aren't beyond everybody else - if they can't rationalize their selection, and we can't see any reason, are we expect to just take their word for it? This stinks of political motivation.
I would be willing to give them benefit of the doubt if any aspect of it made sense. Obama hasn't accomplished anything on the peace front, but instead has taken a stance on talking to people. If talking to people doesn't result in peaceful relations, or has accomplished nothing at all - how can you get an award for peace?
I mean, in five years, if Obama brings peace to the middle east or some other fantastic thing, great. But in the meantime,
what has he done?
_________________ Lack of support for your assertions does not make you a sage, it just makes the rest of us doubt your reasoning skills. - Elias12, Flint Talk Poster
Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:45 pm
back again F L I N T O I D
dude. they made the decision and i agree. thats all i have to say about it and quite frankly, whatever anyone here feels about it makes no difference anyway. i'm done with it.
_________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance.
P.Y.
Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:07 pm
Domet F L I N T O I D
quote:back again schreef:
thats all i have to say about it and quite frankly, whatever anyone here feels about it makes no difference anyway. i'm done with it.
How can you call people like twotap for being mindless zealots and zombies for failing to back up his positions when you are doing the exact same thing? If you can't explain your position, I can just lump you into the same camp as twotap, but I would rather see you explain your rationale to us. At the very least, you could convince somebody to change their mind - I may disagree, but I'm always for other thoughts and input.
Sorry, but regardless of your position, "I agree," is not a reason, it's a statement.
You can clam up - I'm not criticizing you for your position, back again, I'm just explain where I am coming from and hoping that you have a good reason for your position.
_________________ Lack of support for your assertions does not make you a sage, it just makes the rest of us doubt your reasoning skills. - Elias12, Flint Talk Poster
Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:15 pm
Elias12 F L I N T O I D
quote:Domet schreef:
quote:Elias12 schreef:
What basis is he getting it on I would like to know
I read an article on this earlier today and just went, "Facepalm." I was going to post something about it, but was beaten to the punch. They claim he is getting it for ideas of peace, which is insane. I think the entire concept is a sham and that the Nobel committee just lost a lot of respect, from at least me. From this point on, I feel that I will always have to ask, "Are we sure they deserve this honor?"
I hate it when normally good organizations lose benefit of the doubt with me, just pushes the cynicism forward.
Well Domet and I are agreeing again, wonder if this is going to be a trend? But I have to agree , it makes sense. If the committee awards this prize for "visions" of great things then I have a friend who I want to nominate for the Nobel Prize. This friend thinks he has the "vision" for cold fussion. Based upon this alone, this nebulous hope, I think he should be given the prize. Like I said before, if Arafat can win the prize then damm near anyone can. I know this will sound rather vulgar but my first reaction when hearing the news was "WTF!!" . I hope I don't have to explain that abbreviation.
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:02 pm
BAH836 F L I N T O I D
quote:back again schreef:
dude. they made the decision and i agree. thats all i have to say about it and quite frankly, whatever anyone here feels about it makes no difference anyway. i'm done with it.
So you're saying, "They did it and I agree. I don't know why they did it or why I agree, but they did and I do."?
Great debating technique you have going there.
Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:12 pm
back again F L I N T O I D
domet, i could care less where you choose to "lump" me.
bah, i'm not debating.
this is simply not worth my time.
have a nice day gentlemen.
_________________ even a small act of goodness may be a tiny raft of salvation across the treacherous gulf of sin, but one who drinks the wine of selfishness, and dances on the little boat of meaness, sinks in the ocean of ignorance.
P.Y.
Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:32 pm
BAH836 F L I N T O I D
quote:back again schreef:
bah, i'm not debating.
this is simply not worth my time.
Good thing, because with those reasoning/ debating skills, you'd lose with a quickness.
Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:52 am
twotap F L I N T O I D
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domet, i could care less where you choose to "lump" me.
Careful LT or your liable to wind up on domets "No Respect list.
_________________ "If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:34 am
Domet F L I N T O I D
quote:twotap schreef:
Careful LT or your liable to wind up on domets "No Respect list.
Nah, back again is still leagues better than you by many standards. The fact that you don't care about mutual respect indicates exactly what type of man you are. I thought you were a decent fella, turns out you're an egomaniac with an ax to grind, making you the exact type of unreasonable individual the world needs far less of.
Twotap - no arguments, no smarts, just rhetoric and a lack of reason or facts. Nothing to see here, same-old, same-old.
_________________ Lack of support for your assertions does not make you a sage, it just makes the rest of us doubt your reasoning skills. - Elias12, Flint Talk Poster
Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:22 am
Elias12 F L I N T O I D
Domet, to be honest I have axes to grind , that is why I post here. Don't we all sort of have axes to grind? Let's all be honest, we enjoy grindng axes in public or airing dirty laundry in public ( funny though, I always thought laundry was supposed to be washed before airing, but that is beside the point) My point is this, we all like to show what we are thinking to people who we typically would never have the chance to talk to in reality. Which may be a good thing if we want Flint's crime rate to get lower . Just my two cents worth, carry on folks.
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The deadline for nominations is February 1, meaning Obama would've been nominated after being in office for just 11 days. 
