FAQFAQ   SearchSearch  MemberlistMemberlistRegisterRegister  ProfileProfile   Log in[ Log in ]  Flint Talk RSSFlint Talk RSS

»Home »Open Chat »Political Talk  Â»Flint Journal »Political Jokes »The Bob Leonard Show  

Flint Michigan online news magazine. We have lively web forums


FlintTalk.com Forum Index > Political Talk

Topic: Gangs of Oakland county
Goto page 1, 2  Next
  Author    Post Post new topic Reply to topic
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gangs of Oakland County (Oakland County, MI): Thug Life. Goon Squad. Almighty Latin King Nation. Men of Blood. Money Over Everything. New World Order. 1st Enfantry. You may have heard some, or all, of these names. They're the name of gangs, some of which operate all over the United States. They all are entrenched in areas of Detroit. And they, along with other gangs, all have a presence, to varying degrees, in Oakland County.
Source: Downtown Publications Date: August 1, 2013
http://www.downtownpublications.com
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:42 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Gangs of Oakland County

By Lisa Brody
News Editor

08/01/2013 - Thug Life. Goon Squad. Almighty Latin King Nation. Men of Blood. Money Over Everything. New World Order. 1st Enfantry.

You may have heard some, or all, of these names. They're the name of gangs, some of which operate all over the United States. They all are entrenched in areas of Detroit. And they, along with other gangs, all have a presence, to varying degrees, in Oakland County.

Yes, gangs exist in Oakland County, notably in Pontiac and in the southern Oakland County communities of Southfield and Oak Park, where the gang lifestyle, which revolves around money, violence, guns, illicit narcotic sales, retail fraud, and demanding respect, proliferate.

Communities abutting Pontiac, such as Bloomfield Township, Waterford, West Bloomfield, Auburn Hills, Sylvan Lake and Keego Harbor, encounter gang activity as spillover. Community borders do not exist for gangs. There may be a home invasion in a nearby city or township as gang members, needing goods and cash, pay no attention to municipal boundaries. Ditto with retail fraud. There are substantially more stores with large goods in Bloomfield Township or West Bloomfield than in Pontiac, providing them the incentive to venture into our towns.

These are not the Jets and the Sharks taunting Officer Krupke from West Side Story. Although most members of gangs are usually in their early teens to late 20s, they're not playing "gang". They mean very serious business. Oakland County law enforcement recognizes and understands this better than regular civilians, many of us who are unaware of the gang activities happening in our midst.

In 2009, following a significant rise in gang-related crime in Oakland County, the FBI, in conjunction with the Oakland County Sheriff's Office, Oakland County Prosecutor's Office, Michigan State Police, Bloomfield Township Police Department, Auburn Hills Police Department, Waterford Police Department, (now defunct) Pontiac Police Department, Homeland Security, Michigan Department of Corrections, and Drug Enforcement Agency formed the Oakland County Violent Gang Task Force to identify and target for prosecution violent criminal enterprises that operate in and around the Oakland County area. The FBI emphasizes it is a "joint venture to enhance the effectiveness of federal, state, and local law enforcement resources through well coordinated initiatives seeking the most effective investigative and prosecutorial avenues by which to convict and incarcerate dangerous offenders."

Jeff Downey, FBI Supervisory Senior Resident Agent for Oakland County, noted, "We've been successful to date, but there's more work to do. Gangs haven't gone away. We see gangs coming from Detroit, coming to Pontiac. There are a lot of gang crimes which are crimes of opportunity. Some are traditional violent crimes – involving guns, drugs, money, assaults. They're all about making money for the gangs and the individual."

...continued on page 2
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:44 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Google "Thug Life", as an officer in the task force recommended, and you will be inundated with information on information on the late rapper Tupac Shakur, rap and hip-hop artists who quote the lyrics, gang members who have adopted his credo, and the prevalence of "thug life" in Oakland County.

According to writer Bruce Poinsette, "THUG LIFE" was a movement created by Tupac, his stepfather Mutulu Shakur and godfather Geronimo Pratt, who all had ties to the Black Panther Party, in an effort to politicize gangs. The men had come to believe the Black Panther Party was being misdirected towards oppressing the black community rather than defending it.

Tupac wrote in 1992, "I didn't create T.H.U.G. L.I.F.E., I diagnosed it," when he helped get rival California gang members from the Crips and Bloods to sign the Code of THUG LIFE. The first principle of the code is that "All new Jacks must know: a) He's going to get rich. b) He's going to jail. c) He's going to die."

THUG LIFE stands for "The Hate U Gave Lil" Infants Fucks Everyone". The phrase is used to express pride in living the thug lifestyle, and while the Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines a thug as a "brutal ruffian or assassin", Tupac defined a thug as "someone going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug, and the life they are living is the thug life. A thug is not a gangster. Look up gangster and gangsta. Not even close, my friend."

However, members of gangs and law enforcement who track them likely disagree. In their efforts to be gangsta, members are often full on gangster – violent, disrespectful of authority other than the individual in charge of their gang, focused on money, drugs, and guns.

According to the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment released by the national Gang Intelligence Center, there are approximately 1.4 million gang members belonging to more than 33,000 gangs that were criminally active throughout the United States as of April 2011. The assessment was developed through analysis of available federal, state, local and tribal law enforcement and corrections agency information, data from the 2010 NDIC National Threat Survey and open source information.

"The concept of a gang isn't inherently negative. A group of people coming together under the common interests of protection and economic gain doesn't elicit crime and violence on its own. However, when you factor in poverty, joblessness and a dependence on the black market drug trade, which has no regulations preventing the use of violence to solve disputes, then you have a recipe for disaster," Poinsette wrote. "In fact, most gangs were not started to terrorize communities but to protect them."

...continued on page 3
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:46 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Detective/Sergeant Greg Moore of the Oakland County Sheriff's Office Violent Gangs Task Force would disagree. "You Tube postings for Pontiac and Detroit feature the glorification of the gangster life style, with its glorification of dope, money, guns and cars. Women come last, because they are objectified and disrespected. If you watch these You Tube videos on Pontiac, the gang members talk openly about videoing their thuggery. It's mind blowing."

In 2008, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard authorized the formation of the Jail Gang Intelligence Unit because law enforcement had recognized that gang members being sent to jail did not stop their activities. "We started noticing which gangs were affiliating with each other, and with different gangs," Moore said. "We began assembling statistics, which communities they were from, who they were connecting with."

"Depending on which prison they go to, especially the much larger prisons, they can get affiliated with larger gangs and gang activity," Downey said. "You get them off the streets, but there is gang activity in prisons. We try to use every tool we can to get them put away for a long time. The focus is to work long term criminal investigations to get them long term sentences." Implicit in that statement is that those who receive shorter sentences can make other gang contacts in prison which can continue once they are released back onto the streets.

Moore said the reality is that gangs are everywhere, and different police departments have different problems with different kinds of criminal activities. "Southfield has different kinds of activities than Pontiac," he said, declining to elaborate. "Each community is familiar with their own gangs."

Southfield and other southern Oakland County communities have been infiltrated by gangs from Detroit who have established networks in those cities, not interested nor respectful of the change of boundaries. Pontiac gangs currently are mostly separate from Detroit's. But road access from one end of Oakland County is simple, with only a car needed to get from one municipality to another.

"We see gangs from Detroit coming into Pontiac," said the FBI's Downey. "A lot of gang crimes are crimes of opportunity. Some are traditional gang crimes – guns, drugs, money. The violence is about respect, control, territory and influence. Then there are the killings. Sometimes they happen for mere robberies, for money. Money is extremely important. Gangs are all about making money for the gangs and the individual. For most gangs, money and territory are the driving forces."
...continued on page 4
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:50 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

...continued from page 3

Moore said that currently the Oakland County Violent Gangs Task Force has positively identified about 750 gang members, spread out between different gangs. "Some are gang members in name only. Some get to their late 20s and move on. There's a smaller proportion of the ones who are causing real problems .

"In Pontiac, to a large degree, there is a close arrangement of people attracted to the thug life, with its emphasis on guns, money and drugs," Moore said. "Most Americans earn respect through their good name. They (gang members) believe respect is if no can look you in the eye. Most often the leader of the gang is the one who can instill the most fear (in others) through violence and intimidation."


Moore said that unlike in some cities, Pontiac's gangs are disorganized in terms of organizational structure. "Typically in gangs, there is a strict structure where they have a definitive leader, a second-in-charge, and various shot callers who will tell individual guys what to do. There are usually five or six guys in their crew who do drug deals and car thefts," he explained. "In Pontiac, there really is no organization."

"Not all gangs are as hierarchical as national gangs. Some are loosely affiliated with national gangs, and may take the name of a national gang without being really affiliated," Downey said.

From intelligence briefs, many gangs in Detroit do have the typical gang leadership organization. It's unknown at this time if, as gangs move northward and infiltrate Pontiac, that organizational structure will change.

While the FBI and members of the Oakland County Violent Gangs Task Force do not want to specify exactly which gangs are in Oakland County, other sources confirm that the Goon Squad, Sur-13, NWO (New World Order), MOB (Men of Blood, their old acronym, but now Money Over Bitches), MOE (Money Over Everything), Latin Kings, a division of the Almighty Latin King
Nation, Devil's Diciples, 8-Balls, M-13, Pinewood Posse and 1st Enfantry.


In December 2011, members of the Goon Squad sprayed gunfire inside the Waterford Township Rolladium roller rink, striking five patrons. Waterford Township police learned that the shooting was the result of issues involving a rivalry between two Pontiac gangs, the Good Squad and 1st Enfantry.

"Some of the people shot were innocent bystanders, innocent skaters," said Waterford Township Police Chief Dan McCaw. "The shooters had a mission at hand, to shoot an individual who they had shot before and were after again. Home invasions, larcenies, carjackings, and other small crimes are more popular among gang members. Shootings come from disagreements over rivalries."
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:54 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

...continued from page 4

McCaw said it doesn't matter what neighborhood or community people live in, "I see certain gangs in Waterford, and in Oakland County, in Birmingham, in Bloomfield, all over. I see evidence throughout the state."

Bloomfield Township Police Chief Geof Gaudard concurred. Bloomfield Township has an officer assigned full time to the Oakland County Violent Gangs Task Force.


"Just as crime knows no boundary, neither do criminals. We see drugs, larcenies, home invasions, and violent crimes, so it makes sense for us to commit to the task force. Many times, this is how they fund their lifestyle," Gaudard said.

"We see crime everywhere. In our northern end (of Bloomfield Township), we'll see more of these types of crimes committed by gangs that are in the southern and eastern ends of Pontiac. They do cross the boundaries and come here," he explained. "The amount of crime these guys commit is shocking
."

"They will move into an area if an opportunity exists," Moore said. "It's not due to an economic downturn – there's always gang activity. At times, it becomes more prolific. In 2008, there were 28 homicides, most due to gangs, in Pontiac. It was directly attributed to younger people carrying guns. The problem is they didn't hit their target – they hit everyone around them."

Gaudard said that there are usually less violent crimes, which he defined as crimes against a person, "because they don't live here," but Bloomfield Township does see its share of larcenies, drug sales, and other crimes. "They sell drugs here. It runs the gamut, marijuana, prescription drugs, heroin – whatever we see in this community and throughout Oakland County."


This past May, teens affiliated with gangs posted threats on Twitter and Instagram against the Orchard Lake St. Mary's Festival right before it was held. A press release from the Oakland County

Sheriff's Office stated that calls were made to the sheriff's office and to Orchard Lake Police after parents and others reportedly noticed someone posting threats on the social media sites.

"The threats consisted of several photos showing a handgun, an assault rifle and a photo of several fully loaded high-capacity magazines for a handgun," the press release said. "Each of the photos made a reference to the Orchard Lake St. Mary's Festival."

There was a photo of someone holding a gun with a message below stating, "We can't wait till st. marys fair."

On May 24, the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office authorized and granted an arrest warrant against a 16-year-old Detroit teen for domestic terrorism, a 20-year felony. He was arrested in Detroit, and his case was assigned to an investigator in the FBI's Oakland County Violent Gangs Task Force. He allegedly admitted he had ties with Detroit gang members, and admitted to making one of the Twitter threats with the gun. Investigators would not identify which gang he may be a part of.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:57 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

continued from page 5

"We're part of the task force to aid and assist with legal issues, such as the writing of search warrants and helping (investigators) with what they need, with legal boundaries," noted Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper. "The other reason we're active members of the task force is that the federal government does not have juvenile jurisdiction, so all those cases come to us. If a gang member is a juvenile, a local prosecutor will be involved. We work in conjunction with the feds."

According to statute, all juvenile jurisdiction rests with the state, not with the federal government.

Cooper said there are occasional exceptions, such as with computer crimes, like child pornography. "It's best to go federal then because the penalties may be more severe."

The teen who bragged on Twitter and Instagram before the Orchard Lake St. Mary's Festival is hardly unique in today's era of social media. Gang members, after all, are primarily male, in their teens and early to mid 20s. They are proud of their gang affiliation, and they want others to know. Tagging, or marking with graffiti on old homes, road signs and railroad tracks, definitely is ongoing. "They mark their territories with colors using spray paint," said West Bloomfield Police Lt. Curt Lawson of the Investigations Bureau, who said that West Bloomfield currently sees little gang activity, unlike a period from 1997-2000, when the township saw a three-year period of tagging of roads signs and other signs of the the gang Folk Nations in the northern part of the community. "They were white kids, usually 16 to 19 years old, and lot of them were in school, going to Walled Lake Schools. They were having gang wars. We didn't see the major violence, but definitely mischievous behavior. Our then chief sent four officers to Detroit to work with the Detroit Gang Squad – I was part of that – and we learned how to put it down."

Bloomfield Township's Gaudard said that while they don't get a lot of tagging on road signs, they do see it on abandoned and vacant buildings, and on train overpasses. "Where we see it is closer to our northern borders," he said.

Some gangs still have color affiliations. They flash finger symbols to one another, which Lawson said is their way of saying which gang they're in. "They're all little boys with AK 47s," he said. Like other young adults, they also use Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, Instagram, Whisper, and other social media.

"They're hugely active on social media," Moore said. "MySpace used to be big. Now it's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube. There's Whisper, where it's only up for a few minutes and then it disappears. They take pictures and post them. They're proud."

...continued on page 7
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:59 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

continued from page 6

"On an individual basis, they're on Facebook bragging about what they do. A lot of crime you know they're doing, and usually we can find them and their friends on Facebook and Twitter," Cooper said. She said they are often identifiable on Facebook by using their gang signs. "They also use other names on their social media pages. And they brag."

In addition, tattooing is a way for them to identify with their gangs. It has also become a powerful identification tool for law enforcement.

The FBI has begun collecting tattoos gathered from police agencies around the U.S., private industry, and even academia in order to create a national database for law enforcement officers, which is part of the Generation of Identification program, a $1 billion program for the next step in biometrics and identification. It's designed to be used for investigative purposes, helping law enforcement explain what certain tattoo symbols mean and whether there are gang or other affiliations. While a tattoo is not as definitive an identifying mark as DNA or fingerprints, tattoos, or their photos and descriptions, can help investigators identify suspects as well as help prosecutors gain convictions.


Moore noted that identifying and matching tattoos is part of Bouchard's proactive approach to law enforcement. "Anyone arrested in Oakland County goes directly to the Oakland County Jail, regardless of where (which municipality) you are arrested in. That being the case, the best source of intelligence is our jail deputies, who have been trained to recognize, interpret and ask about tattoos," Moore explained. They have compiled a computer database of anyone with a tattoo which can be accessed by description as well as body location. Law enforcement can find it useful when seeking a suspect whose name they don't know.

"Many guys (gang members) have been trained to not deny they are a gang member when they're arrested and questioned, to tell us what their tattoos say and stand for. It's a sign of respect for them, that they're a gang member. They want it seen," Moore said. While they will proudly acknowledge they are a member of a gang, and tell law enforcement which gang they are a member of, that's usually all they'll give up.

"Typically they have a culture of not wanting to rat the others out," Moore said, explaining it's a mixture of both fear and pride in being part of the gang which drives that. "They have a lot of pride in their gang – and fear of what could happen to them."


...continued on page 8
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:01 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

...continued from page 7

Law enforcement in Oakland County, by working together, is making serious inroads in combatting gang activity. Downey emphasizes the collaborative approach among the member agencies in the task force is the key to battling this kind of crime.

"This is a relatively new task force. It only started in 2009; it's only four years old. It takes a while to develop your intelligence to combat it," Downey said.

He said that an ongoing investigation into the New World Order gang, which began in 2010, has led to a total of 70 people being arrested. "This year, so far, we've arrested seven," he said. Most of the charges have been federal charges, anywhere from narcotics trafficking to gun charges. Nine were local arrests, possibly juveniles. He won't say.

"Ten years ago, all of us police departments operated on our own," Waterford's McCaw said. "But criminals have no boundaries, so we have to work together in the 21st century. Our success in the 21st century is to forget about boundaries and work collectively to get these kids off the streets and either rehabilitate them, if we can, or take them off the streets where they can't prey on innocent civilians. Some of them can be rehabilitated. Some are just lost and looking for something to belong to."

What drives certain teens to gangs is usually their personal history. "If a child does not feel loved, or does not feel part of a family network, they are looking to be part of something. In a gang, even though it is criminal activity, they are part of something," McCaw said.

Lisa Kirsch Satawa, a juvenile defense attorney at Clark Hill PLC in Birmingham, agreed. "The most important thing is young people who get involved in a gang is it's a programming issue. It's in their brain, they have a need to belong," she said. "You have to look at their family and ask, why do they need to belong to a gang. Is it stability? A connection to drugs? Is it money? Or is it simply low self-esteem and needing others to pick you up? It depends on the individual, but it all comes back to the family."

She emphasized that a child who is going to join a gang is not getting the love, affection, stability, permanence or safety, "which is what every kid needs," from their family.

"The parents could be checked out, there could be a single parent, absent parent, lots of parents of different kids of the same mom, financial struggles, too many children in the home, mom working a lot of jobs. Sometimes mom is trying really hard, but she may not have the tools to succeed," Kirsch Satawa said.

...continued on page 9
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:03 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

continued from page 8

She added peer pressure is powerful as well. "Older siblings parenting younger siblings drives a lot of kids out of the house, too. Many kids don't feel they are getting anything out of watching other kids in the house, feeding babies, so they turn to gangs."

"When you have 14 or 15 year olds with older siblings with $700 in cash in their pockets without a job, it impresses them," said Moore.

Moore said a big objective of the gangs task force is in prevention. He urges parents to watch for warning signs their child may be involved in a gang, from admitting to "hanging out" with gang members, showing an unusual interest in one or two particular colors or a specific logo, using unusual hand signals to communicate with friends, or having specific drawings or gang symbols on their school books, clothes, walls, or tattoos. Other warning signs to recognize are unexplained cash or goods, such as clothing or jewelry, if they come home with unexplained injuries, such as fight-related bruises, or injuries to their hands or knuckles, if they carry a weapon, and if they have been in trouble with the police .

Moore said to look for negative behavioral changes such as withdrawing from the family, declining school attendance, performance, and behavior, staying out late at night without a reason, displaying an unusual desire for secrecy, breaking rules consistently, showing signs of drug use, and speaking in gang-style slang.

"A lot of times people would say, oh, they're just wanna-be gang members. I said, there's no such thing. You then are a gang member," West Bloomfield's Lawson said. "They're no less dangerous because they're trying to be part of that culture, and they're going to try to prove and impress the gangs, and that can make them more dangerous."

"Oakland County is an affluent community. Know there are gangs here. Pay attention to your kids, and where your kids are going, and where they're going to party. If you see these signs, talk to them. Take some parental responsibility," Moore advised.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:05 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

This was an impressive and extensive piece written by Lisa Brody. Kudos Brody on such an excellent investigative piece.

I felt the important pieces were that even an affluent area such as Oakland County can have gang problems. The piece brought out the mobility of gangs especially when they discover a void in the system.

I especially liked the section about task force and united police efforts to capture criminals.

I know many readers will like the part about lengthier sentences for specific types of criminals.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:09 am 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
twotap
F L I N T O I D

Black Panthers--- that fun loving social group that Obama proclaims
HANDS OFF"

_________________
"If you like your current healthcare you can keep it, Period"!!
Barack Hussein Obama--- multiple times.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:22 pm 
 View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

quote:
twotap schreef:
Black Panthers--- that fun loving social group that Obama proclaims
HANDS OFF"


What is your source?. News sources have proclaimed this group too small to be effective.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:03 pm 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

Mother Jones

→ Crime and Justice, Culture, Top Stories


Why the Latest Zimmerman Race Riot Conspiracy Theory Is the Dumbest Yet


—By Stephanie Mencimer

| Fri Jul. 12, 2013 10:23 AM PDT


The conservative blogosphere is brewing with ominous warnings about the inevitable riots they think will come if George Zimmerman is acquitted of charges related to his killing of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin. (My colleague Lauren Williams has rightly questioned this mania here.) An email this week from Everett Wilkinson, a former tea party leader in Florida who now runs something called the Nation Liberty Federation, outlines many of the leading (and recurring) conspiracy theories about the verdict's aftermath, which he naturally thinks will include riots: martial law. FEMA camps. But he offers up some of the new ones, too.

Among those is the suggestion that the New Black Panther Party is busing people to Florida for the specific purpose of inciting riots after Zimmerman presumably walks out of court a free man. Wilkinson writes:


Reports have come in from eye witnesses in Sanford, Florida that the New Black Panther Party, an extremist group that has called for the killing of George Zimmerman if he is found not guilty, is busing in thousands to that town. Sanford is the location of the trial and near the place where the shooting of Trayvon Martin by Zimmerman occurred. There have been threats of riots if Zimmerman is not found guilty and it is believed that the New Black Panther Party and other extremist groups will attempt to take advantage of racial tensions after a non guilty verdict by organizing riots.

Wilkinson points out that the New Black Panthers supposedly put out a "dead or alive" poster with Zimmerman's face on it last year—proof that the "eye witnesses" in Sanford must be right. He writes ominously, "When Zimmerman was first arrested the Black Panthers threatened to burn the whole state of Florida down." Wilkinson suggests that the Obama administration might be bringing in Russian soldiers to fight off the angry mobs (through FEMA, naturally), a claim that follows on the heels of his suggestion earlier this year that Russian intelligence was warning that President Obama was creating teams of "death squads," a story that originated on a hoax website.

Clearly Wilkinson doesn't know much about the New Black Panthers aside from the overhyped reports about them on Fox News during the past few presidential campaigns. For one thing, they probably don't need a bus. Most of their members could fit in a taxi. And they're not especially good at organizing anything, even voter intimidation. Their erstwhile leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz, got his start in DC in the 1990s while at Howard University's law school, running as a candidate for the DC city council and trying to organize boycotts of Korean merchants in DC's poor, black neighborhoods. His first moment in the limelight came after he organized anti-Semitic chants at a Howard rally in 1994. Shabazz was good at getting himself in the news and not much else. Little has changed in that regard since 1995, when now-Slate editor David Plotz wrote this seminal profile of the guy. (A sampling: "Seated in the tiny chair in the tiny room, Shabazz looks somewhat like an overgrown schoolboy—an impression magnified by the large zit erupting beneath his right nostril.")

The reports and emails from Nation Liberty Federation vastly overestimate the potential of the Panthers to mobilize people. The Panthers themselves tweeted recently that even they don't think they could organize the kind of chaos conservatives warn about, saying, "If Zimmerman is acquitted there is likely to be unrest all over America. It will be way beyond the capacity of the NBPP." (The NBPP tweet that they will not be engaging in any unlawful activity, either.)

The Nation Liberty Federation's rhetoric suggests that if there are going to be riots after a verdict, the people we might want to be worried about are the white ones. Wilkinson, who is white, has some advice for readers on protecting themselves against "flash mobs":

The obvious things you need are firearms, ammunition, maps, food, water, full tank of gas and/or “Bug Out Bag Survival Bag” and/or “Urban Survival Kit.” I would also highly recommend a CB radio or ham radio because the cell phone towers may be overloaded or shut off.

One of the reason's why Americans beat the British is because they organized as militia units. Remember also Korean shop owners that protected their shops during the LA riots. We must learn to work as teams. Talk to your friends and family and come up with a plan to protect as a unit.

We are expecting martial law declared, similar to Boston or Katrina Hurricane, in any area affected by riots or that Obama feels wants to control. Unless you like the idea of spending anytime in a FEMA Camp, I would recommend bugging out of the area at the first sign of unrest if you live in an infected area. Plan on having to be on the the move within 15 minutes of an riot…

Don’t be surprised if Russian or other foreign troops come to help the DHS! Rumor has it that Obama has positioned at least 15,000 Russian troops.

If you find yourself in the immediate area of a “flash mob,” riot or protest, leave immediately. This is not the time to be hero or argue. You will only become a victim. Hopefully you have a firearm to defend yourself, but you need to use it to help you extract from the area. In other words, "shoot, scoot and run.”

It wouldn't take many paranoid, angry gun owners to create a bloodbath in Florida after a Zimmerman verdict, a prospect that seems far more frightening than Malik Shabazz and a cab full of New Black Panthers .

This post has been revised



Stephanie Mencimer
Reporter
Stephanie Mencimer is a staff reporter in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. You can also follow her on Twitter. RSS | Twitter
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:26 pm 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
untanglingwebs
El Supremo

I am more concerned about the gang activity in Michigan than Black Panthers.

You should be more worried about the political impact of NAN.
Post Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:28 pm 
 View user's profile Send private message  Reply with quote  
  Display posts from previous:      
Post new topic Reply to topic

Jump to:  
Goto page 1, 2  Next

Last Topic | Next Topic  >

Forum Rules:
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 

Flint Michigan online news magazine. We have lively web forums

Website Copyright © 2010 Flint Talk.com
Contact Webmaster - FlintTalk.com >